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Info-Mac Digest             Fri, 21 May 93       Volume 11 : Issue 107

Today's Topics:

      [*] minimal-midi-interface.txt
      (Q) Software to calculate area?
      Adobe TypeAlign 1.05 vs. Apple printer drivers
      Canon BubbleJet Ink Cartridge equivalent to Stylewriter II (A)
      Claris Works 2.0
      DiskLess Mac
      Envelope software for HP4M?
      File Creater Type List (C)
      Filemaker Pro and computerized ordering?
      Igor  (Numerical Analysis) for the Mac (A)
      LaserWriter 8.0 driver
      Logging use of a networked LaserWriter and/or StyleWriter II
      Mac info on Internet
      Mac Programming Problem with SFGetFile
      Michigan Icon
      MIDI files available?
      MSWorks 3.0 and Windows platforms
      oint/Problems with LocalPath#195#
      Ping for Macs? (A)
      Quadra 800 Problem, Quadra 800/16MB RAM Problem ]
      Quitting Finder
      REAL story on comp.sys.mac.scitech (C)
      re LaserWriter 8.0
      Scanner on Network (Q)
      slow printing under system 7
      Some Hacker requests
      Symantec C++ for Mac, questions
      System folder protection (A)
      THINK Upgrade
      TimesTwo opinions needed
      Vendor E-mail (A)
      What are .bsc files?
      WorldScript keyboard interference (C)
      ZiffNet & property/copyrights
      ZiffNet/MAC (2 msgs)

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 21:45:40 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: [*] minimal-midi-interface.txt

Here's a schematic for creating a simple MIDI interface for the
Mac. It's a bit old, from what I gather from the person who
sent it to me, and the address may not be valid for the author
any more. Of course, I have no idea if these plans work. :-)

cheers ... Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor


            MINIMAL MAC--MIDI INTERFACE
            ===========================


Well, here it is all you MIDI fans.  THE ultimate in simplicity!!
This is a simple schematic for a serial to MIDI converter.

There are two functions performed here.  One is the conversion from
current loop to RS-422.  The second function is supplying the 1 MHz
signal for the serial chip to sync up with the 31.5K baud rate of MIDI.


Macintosh                                       MIDI
Serial port                                     5 pin DIN
DB9 pin numbers                                 pin numbers

     +-------+     +------+
   4   10|26LS32 |     |7407  |
  >------+       |11  1|      |2    220 ohm     5
   5    9|       +-----+      +------/\/\/-------< \
  >------+       |     |      |                     \
     |       |     |      |                      | MIDI OUT
     +-------+     +------+                     /
                    220 ohm     4  /
      390 ohm        +5 volts ---/\/\/-------<
+5 volts --/\/\/----+
            |
     +-------+  |  +------+1    220 ohm     4
   8    6|26LS31 |  |  |MCT2  +------/\/\/-------< \
  >------+       |11| 5|      |                     \
   9    5|       +--+--+      |                      | MIDI IN
  >------+       |    4|      |2                5   /
     |       |   +-+      +------------------< /
     +-------+   | +------+
             |
             v
           Ground

     +-------+     +------+
   7   10|26LS31 |     |1 MHZ |
  >------+       |9   8| OSC  |
   3   11|       +-----+      |
  >-------       |     |      |
     |       |     |      |
     +-------+     +------+

    Power connections:

            GROUND  +5
            -----   --
      7407          7       14
      26LS31        8,12    4,16
      26LS32        8,12    4,16
      OSCILLATOR    7       14

Notes:

The optical isolator MCT-2 above can probably be any relatively
fast optical coupler.  Note that the 390 ohm resistor may need to
be adjusted to make sure the output does not saturate.  Using a
scope while feeding a MIDI signal in should show you whether the
signal looks clean.

The diagram has been drawn to show MAC signals on the left and MIDI
signals on the right.  Also note that the MAC pin numbers are for
the DB9 connector **NOT** the 8 pin mini-DIN connector!!

The age old question of where to get power for this always remains.
On the pre-MAC-PLUSs, there was power available from the serial
port connector.  I solved this problem by finding a 7 VDC AC adapter
at a parts store and using a 5 volt voltage regulator IC to bring
it down to 5 volts.  This is left as an exercise for the student.....

The 26LS31 and 26LS32 are the same type of chips which are used in
the MAC for RS-422 conversion.  I got them from a store in Santa
Clara California (Anchor Electronics  [phone]).  They also
have 1 Mhz Oscillators as well.

I have built several variations of this over the last two years
and have had good success using a variety of music software with
them.


John Hengesbach
[phone]

uunet!ingr!henges
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, AL 35807

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 15:38:08 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Robert Reeves)
Subject: (Q) Software to calculate area?

    Hello!  I am once again turning to the collective wisdom of the info-
mac crowd for ideas on how to calculate the area under a curve/ inside a
closed path.  Our lab is currently considering a programme called "SigmaScan"
(Jandel Scientific), but that would involve getting a PC.  :(

    We would need to trace photographs via a graphics tablet and then
have the software calculate the area inside the shape.

    Has anyone heard of a mac programme that is similiar to what I have
described?  If you have any questions, or even have a comprable programme in
mind, please let me know!  Email would be great, and I can summarize if there
is enough demand.

Thanks for the help!!           Robert Reeves  Biochemistry Dept.
                Boston University School of Med.

[e-mail]
-

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 11:25 -0400
From: P. T. Withington <[e-mail]>
Subject: Adobe TypeAlign 1.05 vs. Apple printer drivers

    Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 09:39 EDT
    From: Shaw Wu <[e-mail]>

    Hi fellow netters,

    I have this really strange problem.

    Whenever I print out something with Adobe TypeAlign 1.05 (whether
    it be something processed by it and pasted to another app such as
    Word 5.1a or printed directly from the DA), I get a bunch of garbage
    as output on the printer (literally...looks like garbage..:-). On
    screen, everything looks fine (curved type and the works...:-).

    I'm using Adobe Type Manager 3.0 along with an Apple Personal LaserWriter
    LS with 7.2 driver software.

[...]

This is symptomatic of several Apple printer drivers as far as I can
tell.  I have the same problem with the Apple LW300 driver.  Talking
with Adobe, they claimed that Apple knew about the problem and was going
to fix it.  But talking with Apple they claimed that Adobe would have to
fix it.

What you are seeing is what you would get if TypeAlign were not
installed (try removing TA and opening your file-- you will see the same
garbage on your screen).  I don't pretend to really know how TA works,
but my suspicion is that it fakes out the rest of the system by using
ATM to create an appropriate resolution and rotation font "on the fly"
for both screen and printer.  If your printer driver is too smart for
it's own good (e.g., thinks it knows better about where to get fonts
from, rather than invoking the standard toolbox interface) it will
bypass TA and output garbage instead.

I solicit your assistance in putting the heat on Apple and/or Adobe to
quit the finger-pointing and just fix it...

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Date: 21 May 1993 16:22:25 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (Tom Wentzel)
Subject: Canon BubbleJet Ink Cartridge equivalent to Stylewriter II (A)

Dear Info-Maccers,

Several days ago, I posted the query:

>I know that the ink cartridge for the Apple Stylewriter I is equivalent
>to the Canon BubbleJet BC-01 ink cartridge.  Could anyone tell me what
>the model number is of the Canon BubbleJet ink cartridge which is
>equivalent to the ink cartridge used by the StyleWriter II?

I said I would summarize the responses.

My reason for asking the above question was that I wanted to order a
refill kit for the SW II cartridges, and the company I selected (lowest
price I could find; yes, I've ordered from them before) couldn't tell me
if the kit they advertised as being for a SW I would also work on a SW II.
They said that if I could find out what Canon cartridge the SW II
cartridge was equivalent to, they may be able to provide me with the
appropriate refill.  A call to Canon got me nowhere -- they refused to
tell, mentioning an agreement between Canon and Apple.

I received one direct response, and one response via
comp.sys.mac.hardware.  In summary, both respondents said that in their
experience the StyleWriter II cartridge is interchangeable with the
StyleWriter I cartirdge (and thus, I assume, with the Canon BC-01).

The two responses I received follow, in edited form.

>From: [e-mail] (Curtis Jackson)
>
>Yesterday I went into my local CompUSA (huge computer superstore) to
>buy StyleWriter I cartridges. They were sold out, but had a huge bin
>of StyleWriter II cartridges for $1 less each. The guys at the store
>said that they had been using both cartridges in both printer models
>with no problems, so I bought the II cartridge but haven't had reason
>to install it yet.

>From: [e-mail]  (Jose M. Payo)
>
>Tom, you have to know that the cartridges of Apple Stylewriter I and
>StyleWriter II ARE THE SAME!!  The only difference is the mark, but they
>have same shape, ink, capacity, and way of refilling! Do you realize the
>great secret they are hiding?
>
>In our Center we use a number of computers to help our work, most of them
>Macintosh. My boss bought a Stylewriter I a few months ago, and he is
>currently buying new cartridges to replace it when they get empty. You
>know?, some new cartridges are giving poor printing results, as when you
>use too concentrated ink to refill empty cartridges, and you have to spend
>a lot of ink, draining to clean the cartridge head. Some of the new
>cartridges have a mark saying "Stylewriter II", instead of "Stylewriter I",
>but the shape of the cartridge is exactly the same. Both have the
>commentary "Contains isopropyl alcohol 67-63-0. Made in Japan". And I could
>see also the cartridge inside the Stylewriter II of another lab. I am sure
>they are exactly the same cartridge, using the same ink, and allowing the
>same way of cheap refilling.

(I e-mailed back:)
>>   So if I understand you correctly, your boss has ordered StyleWriter I
>>cartridges and has received cartridges labeled both "I" and "II"?  And then
>>he's used both types in the StyleWriter I with no problem, except for the
>>poor printing results you mentioned?  (I'm a little surprised the circuitry
>>is the same.)

(Mr. Payo responded:)
>Yes. This printing problem doesn't have to do with different circuitry (it is
>the same), but with occlusion of the cartridge head because of ink drying. It
>happens with cartridges labeled "SW I" and "SW II", and transiently
disappears
>when you drain an amount of ink (you print perfect today, but tomorrow you
>have to drain again because a new occlusion). We have complained to our Apple
>distributor about this frequent occlusions. The cartridges are the same. If
>you cover the cartridge label with adhesive paper, you can not distinguish
>one from another.
>
>I think this will help some people to save money. Remember, follow
>instructions of /report/style-writer-refills.txt. Stylewriter I and II
>cartridges ARE THE SAME.

I should note that the info-mac archive file,
/report/style-writer-refills.txt,
describes how one can make one's own refills using a large syringe, black ink,
and isoporpyl alcohol.  Maybe I'll go that route instead of ordering a refill
kit.

Thank you, Mr. Payo and Mr. Jackson, for your replies.

--Tom Wentzel    [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 13:09:01 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Peter D. Esser Ph.D.)
Subject: Claris Works 2.0

Can someone please post the Claris Works 2.0 demo?

Thanks,
Peter D. Esser, Ph.D.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 19:31:01 GMT
From: Stewart Walker <[e-mail]>
Subject: DiskLess Mac

The Diskless Mac (TDM) is sold by Sonic Systems. It works very well.
Server can be a Mac or UNIX, I use a A/UX machine. Booting first
involves a TFTP of the operating system into a RAM disk in the
memory of the Mac to be booted. This RAM disk must be less than 50% of
the total available RAM in the machine. Using CarpetBag will allow you
to keep the fonts on a server to keep the RAM disk image smaller, also
many (but not all) control panels can be aliased to a server also. I have
LC's with 10 meg RAM and a 4 meg RAM disk with sys 7 and Quicktime macTCP
and printer drivers.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 08:21:58 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Will Kazez)
Subject: Envelope software for HP4M?

Does anyone know of some envelope printing software that works well with
the HP4M printer?  For instance, Easy Envelopes Plus works well with a
centerfed printer, but that won't help with the HP4M.
                Thanks,
                    Will

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Date: Fri,  21 May 93 5:52 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: File Creater Type List (C)

>Does anyone have a fairly comprehensive list of file creator types...

In Rescue 1.2 (MacTools), when you select Edit Data Keys... from the
"Special" menu, you get exactly that list. The problem is to extract
that info into some file [8-(]. May be some ResEdit hacking will do it.
Anyway, it may be a good idea if someone posts such a list to /report.
(or does it exist ?)

Cheers

Ilan Szekely
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 15:15:43 PST
From: Monte B. Olsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Filemaker Pro and computerized ordering?

Greetings:

I sure could use some help on FileMaker Pro.

We here at the Forestry Media Center rent and sell videotapes and
slide programs about various aspects of forestry.  We're attempting to
use FileMaker to computerize parts of the ordering, shipping and
billing process.  We also want to use it to track the movement of
particular programs.

We've created one large file, modeling our design and layouts after
the invoice and catalog templates provided with the software,
including using repeating fields on our order form.  But therein
lies our problem.  We're attempting to create a "sales report" (using
a script that includes the find function) in which we hope to
summarize the sales of a particular video, for example.  But the
repeating fields seem to get in the way.  If the item number for that
particular tape (say 987 V-T) is the first one in the repeating
field labeled "item number" on our order form, the find function
locates it and lists it just fine on our summary sales report.  But if
987 V-T is second or third or anywhere but first in the field, a
totally different tape is listed in its place in our report.

Now, I know what's happening.  I know that second or third on our
order form, 987 V-T is sitting there quietly waiting to be found and
the find function has indeed found it, simply listing the first item
in the field on the sales report in accordance with the way FileMaker
Pro operates.  But that really screws up our report!  Can anyone
suggest an alternate way we could go about getting the information we
want?  I've been thinking we need to eliminate the repeating fields,
but that seems to create all kinds of other design challenges.

Thanks much.

John Sulzmann
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 10:07:51 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Sean M. Joyce)
Subject: Igor  (Numerical Analysis) for the Mac (A)

A warm thank you to all who responded to my query about Igor, a numerical
analysis program for the Macintosh.  Special thanks go to both Sylvia
Elliot, who first pointed me in the right direction, Wladimir Diaz
Villanueva, and Paul Rybski.

For those who were interested, there is a demo version of Igor which may be
freely downloaded via anonymous ftp to d31rz0.stanford.edu.  WaveMetrics,
the company which publishes Igor, may be contacted at

      WaveMetrics, Inc.
      P. O. Box 2088
      Lake Oswego, OR  97035

Standard disclaimer applies.  I have no commercial interest in Igor, and am
posting the above addresses for informational purposes only.  I promised a
"brief" summary to the list to several who wrote telling me they were also
interested in finding the product.

Thanks again!

Sean M. Joyce
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 12:50:10 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Scott Allen Gruby)
Subject: LaserWriter 8.0 driver

I know that the LaserWriter driver 8.0 is available on AppleLink and can be
downloaded. Does anyone know if Apple is going to put it on ftp.apple.com
or can someone post it to sumex if the license allows it (it probably
doesn't)?

Also, if anyone has more information about this, please let us (the digest)
know.

Thanks.

Scott Allen Gruby                          [e-mail]
Macintosh Student System Administrator
Academic Computing, Harvey Mudd College
Claremont, CA 91711

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 14:04:32 BST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Logging use of a networked LaserWriter and/or StyleWriter II

In our college computer room we have several Macs connected to a  LaserWriter
 II and a StyleWriter II , both of which are in the same room as the
 computers,
thereby necessitating some means of controlling who prints how much (mainly
for the LaserWriter). At present,people are asked to  sign a log book
 with their college accounts to get billed for use, but of course not everyone
 fills  it in correctly or bothers to at all.
What would be useful is a means of logging print use by person (e.g. by
userid)
; Print Track is not necessarily useful as it can only
 be used to trace work to an individual by the title, which is not foolproof.
 The problem with LaserUser 2.5  is that it works by
printing cover sheets , which someone can easily remove and which
are a waste of paper anyway.

It would be useful to have a logging system, therefore, which doesn't
need cards or other extra hardware, but forces people to enter
an account number/name (like LaserUser 2.5) and then  keeps a log of
 usage (perhaps in an invisible file) which can be used
for accounting purposes.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to any programs that are
 available that will do this?
Thanks.

David Schiffmann
Corpus Christi College
Cambrdige
England

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Date: 21 May 1993 10:43:44 -0500
From: "Tom Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac info on Internet

     Mac info on Internet
[...info parphrased from 5/3/93 issue of MacWeek...]

Apple has implemented the Apple Computer Higher Education Gopher Server.  This
server contains such resources as Intellimation (a Mac software catalog),
Syllabus and Query (electronic versions of Apple's higher-education
publications), Apple product news, press releases on Higher Education news and
marketing programs, and service, support, and training materials.
It's primary focus is to give Internet users access to current product and
sales information and to publish articles covering the integration of
Macintoshes in curriculum and research.  The main educational areas covered
are
business, computer science and engineering, library and information systems,
mechanical engineering, and medical and health sciences.

The information is available via the Gopher server at info.hed.apple.com.

Hope this is useful to someone!  I'm checking it out!

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 15:03:33 EST
From: "Mr. Troy Kelley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac Programming Problem with SFGetFile

Mac Programmers in Net Land:

    Normally I would have sent this message to
 mac.comp.programmer but that digest is out of service for
 the summer while people take their summer vacations.

    I am trying to program an external command that
 will display files based on Creator, not Type, which is what
 is usually done with FileName(). If anyone has already done this
 please let me know and I will stop now.  Anyway I am really having
trouble accessing the paramBlock data structure which is passed
in the Filter function for the dialog.

I call SFGetFile like this:

SFGetFile(      where,NIL,MyFileFilter,1,typeList,(ProcPtr)NIL,&reply);

Then I call the FileFilter function like this:

pascal Boolean MyFileFilter(paramBlock)
ParmBlkPtr paramBlock;

{

    Boolean         theResult;
    OSType          getIt;

    theResult = FALSE;

    getIt = (**(**paramBlock).ioFlFndrInfo.fdType;

    return(theResult);


}

But I keep getting a "pointer required" error at the
getIt = (**(**paramBlock).ioFlFndrInfo.fdType;  statement. How do I
de-reference this pointer? What am I doing wrong? Any suggestions would
be appreciated.

Troy Kelley
send

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 09:16:02 -0400
From: [e-mail] (William Homer Waits)
Subject: Michigan Icon

Is there someone with an icon for the University of Michigan (The gold or
yellow
"M") that someone could mail me?  I have come across a need for one.  I know
I could use ResEdit to create one myself, but I am the world's WORST artist.
You ought to see the icon That I made to represent my own school! ( A simple
GT for Georgia Tech).  Thanks for the help.

--Bill

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Date: 21 May 93 14:29:00 CST
From: "JOHN S. CONRADER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MIDI files available?

Hi all,
  Just wanted to know if anyone out there knows of a ftp site
that has some standard MIDI files.  I want to use them with
EZvision.

Please respond directly.
Thanks.

-John :)
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 01:15:52 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dieder B.)
Subject: MSWorks 3.0 and Windows platforms

How compatible are the files of MSWorks 3.0 and the MSWindows MSWorks? Will
they open correctly if I just swap the files using AFE? Please respond
directly,

Thanks,

Dieder
You can listen to thunder after lightning and tell how close you came to
getting hit.  If you don't hear it you got hit, so never mind.

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Date: 21 May 1993 16:53:12 -0800
From: "Alison Wellsfry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: oint/Problems with LocalPath#195#

David,

Please do not run out and buy PowerPath.  This definitly will not be the
answer
for you.

If the question is:  How do I get my machine, which is connected to a
LocalTalk
printer, to be both on Ethernet and LocalTalk at the same time?  The answer
is:
 LocalPath or PowerPath.

If the question is:  How do I get my machine, which is connected to a
LocalTalk
printer and more than 7 other LocalTalk devices, to be on Ethernet and
LocalTalk at the same time?  The answer is:  Liaison.

LocalPath and PowerPath are forwarding agents.  They are designed for folks
who
have an Ethernet net or a TokenRing net and want to add up to eight LocalTalk
nodes (LocalPath) or just one LocalTalk node (PowerPath, like for
PowerBooks).
These are not designed for a large LocalTalk net.

LocalPath appears to the LocalTalk net to be a router.  When there is a router
on the network all devices forward their NBP Lookup requests to the router.
LocalPath is not designed to be a full time router and will only handle the
first eight devices it sees.  Any additional devices will not get serviced.
If
you want more than eight devices on LocalTalk, you need to have a full
router.
This is what we recommended when you called in.  At that time we suggested you
return your copy before your 30 days was up and that you should get a program
that was designed to do what you required.

I'm sorry if the MacUser article confused you, or didn't fully explain how the
product works.  But in your situation, Liaison is the "minimal solution" you
sought.  At $395 suggested retail (and a listing of $279 in a vendor's MacWeek
ad), you will find that this is perhaps the least expensive solution
available.


If this still does not answer your questions, please call me and I will
explain
further the difference between forwarding agents and routers.

Alison, TechSports
LocalPath/PowerPath Product Specialist
_______________________________________________________________________________
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
From: David Bourne on Thu, May 20, 1993 9:05 AM
Subject: Problems with LocalPath

I am using a Mac connected via a localtalk network to a LaserWriter (and
other machines). I also have an Ethernet connection to the 'outside'. I had
lived with switching networks with the Network Control Panel for some time
but it was inconvenient at times.

After reading a MacUser review a few months back I decided to try LocalPath.
It did mention a 10 user limit on the localtalk portion of the network but it
looked like I could limit things to just the LaserWriter. [The localtalk
network I'm on has one LaserWriter but about 12 Macs]. LocalPath worked great
for a couple of weeks. I occasionally got some messages that I was exceeding
the limit of eight but nothing else seemed to happen. Then after rebooting in
the middle of the day (When more people had their Macs turned on??) I got a
message that LocalPath wouldn't work because of the limited being exceeded. I
called Farallon (the publisher) and was told tough that's the way it's
supposed to work you need to buy their more expensive router software [This
was within a 30 day MBG period with MacConnection]. Well I was looking for a
minimal solution in the first place so that wasn't a viable option. I thought
I could live with occasional messages and and even less frequent 'no shows'
on reboot. WELL I WAS WRONG - IT SEEMS THAT LOCALPATH IS CAPABLE OF DISABLING
OTHER USERS ACCESS TO THE LASERWRITER. I had a fellow LocalTalk user come to
me complaining that they could no longer see the LaserWriter in the Chooser
(also was missing from another machine). Sometimes our network is a little
loose so I ran around checking a few other machines including my own and the
LaserWriter was showing up fine. It was only after the disconnected LocalPath
on my machine that the LaserWriter showed up in all the Mac's Choosers. I
have now stopped using LocalPath [This is now outside the 30 days return
period].

The reason for this post - other than a little flaming and issue a 'warning'
(assuming my observations and conclusions are correct), is to ask for help in
choosing another solution.

What I want to do is connect ONE Mac II to both the LaserWriter (via
LocalTalk) and the Internet via an Ethernet card. I understand the Farallon
product PowerPath may do the job but after one discussion with the Farallon
tech support which did not mention this product I'm a little less willing to
jump into another Farallon product. Any suggestions.

David Bourne, OU College of Pharmacy

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 03:05:34 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Robert Geisler)
Subject: Ping for Macs? (A)

I would suggest MacTCP Watcher
(info-mac/Communication/mactcp-watcher-10.hqx).
It has a much nicer interface than Apple's MPing, and some additional
functions.

Robert Geisler

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Date: Thu, 20 May 93 09:33:25 -0400
From: Bill Barnett-Interdepartmental Facilities <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quadra 800 Problem, Quadra 800/16MB RAM Problem ]

I have been having problems with a *new* Quadra 800 with 16MB RAM (v. 7.1).
When I check the available RAM, it reads 9 MB used despite the fact I'm only
running the OS and the hard drive only has 6 MB total on it!  When I turn on
32-bit addressing, the problem goes away.  Does this mean  Q800s only operate
with 32-bit addressing on?  Can I not run older software that doesn't support
32-bit addr?  Any insights would be much appreciated!

 Dr. William Barnett   [e-mail]    Amer. Mus. of Natural Hist.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 09:56:01 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Robert A Managan)
Subject: Quitting Finder

J. B. Thoo writes asking why you would want to quit the Finder
to free up memory. I never have quit the finder for this purpose
but offer this suggestion as to why.

I have always agreed with your point. However, when I read your
note I realized one use for this. When I compile programs in MPW I have
often run out of memory in the link stage. The fix is to tell MPW to
get memory from multifinder that was not originally in MPW's allotment.
On rare occasions even this is not sufficient and hence quitting the
finder could help.

So to answer your question, some apps can access the system memory and
hence could use the memory occupied by the Finder.

Rob Managan             ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 10:48:44 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: REAL story on comp.sys.mac.scitech (C)

> comp.sys.mac.scitech, currently in the CFV process, is being created for the
> benefit of the proposer and the organization of which he is Treasurer.  The
> true purpose of this newsgroup was systematically concealed from the USENET
> community by the proposer and never broached during any of the RFD/CFV
> process.  This duplicity calls into question the propriety of this CFV.

[Lengthy exposition deleted... see Info-Mac v11 issue 104]

It may be that creating comp.sys.mac.scitech would fill a need that does not
exist, and any interested party may surely vote against it. Accusing Mike
Duncan of "duplicity" and other nasty things seems like a serious
overreaction. "Systematically concealed"???? Come on, now.

MacSciTech (the organization) is, as far as I have ever been able
to tell, an honest attempt to organize the discussion of how a scientist
can use Macintosh computers to do useful work. They publish a newsletter,
hold conferences (and publish the proceedings), and generally try to
support the idea that you don't HAVE to use a DOS machine to do science.
I will admit to being mildly surprized that Jonathan Brecher, who seems
to be at least somewhat informed about the net world, had apparently never
heard of the organization before the RFD for the newsgroup came out.

Obviously the RFD for comp.sys.mac.scitech hit at least one exposed nerve.
It is reasonable to discuss whether the group is needed, but it is
just silly to pretend that there is something underhanded going on here.
It's pointless to accuse Mike Duncan of being a villain just because you
don't like his newsgroup proposal.

Mark Lankton   ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 18:46:09 -0800
From: Larry Rosenstein <[e-mail]>
Subject: re LaserWriter 8.0

>we don't have PageMaker at the office, I just custom-installed the LW8

The PPDs are useful because the driver can use that information to
customize itself.  There's a programming interface to access this info, so
in theory you might not need to duplicate these file.

>left of the printer name in the Chooser. No, I've no idea what that means

Probably that it knows something about the printer and doesn't need to be
setup again.

>And easy vs. custom install doesn't seem to have any effect on disk space
>I just put in the Personal NT and the two IIg PPD's on my box. I did an

The PPD files go in a folder called Printer Descriptions within the
Extensions folder.  The files don't contain "PPD" in their names.

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 15:51:44 BST
From: A.D'[e-mail]
Subject: Scanner on Network (Q)

I have an Apple Colour Scanner on my IIci. Is it possible for other Mac
users on our network to use the scanner from their machines?
                 Tony D'Emanuele, University of Manchester

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 19:47:06 PDT
From: Gregg Leong Kasten <[e-mail]>
Subject: slow printing under system 7

My father upgraded his SE/30 to system 7 recently, and now he's
complaining that his Imagewriter prints VERY slowly. I don't think it
has anything to do with TrueType, because he was using TrueType fonts
with the TrueType extension under system 6 before. Has anybody else
had a similar problem, and perhaps found a solution as well?

Thanks for any help,
Gregg L. Kasten

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 10:07:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: Shannon V Spires <[e-mail]>
Subject: Some Hacker requests

Attention Mac Hackers!
Here are a couple of utilities I'd love to see. Please excuse me
if these are FMGs (frequently-mentioned gripes) but as far as I
know these things don't exist:

1) A utility to allow you to eject a CDROM on a Mac that has file
sharing turned on. Even if the CDROM itself is not being shared,
if the Mac has filesharing turned on, you can't eject the CD. This
is maddening and stupid and is one of those things that drives me
crazy about Apple. (Macs are 95% perfect but that
last 5% will make you nuts.)

2) A utility that will let you duplicate a file on a remote Mac
(which of course is being shared) even if that file is "in use".
It's extremely annoying to be told "the file is in use" even though
you know d*mn well you can copy the file if you walk over to the
Mac in question and duplicate it. Hint: Assuming file-linking is
on, the utility would be a small application on the server mac which
you could launch remotely by sending the Finder an Apple event to
launch it. Next, you send an Apple event to the application which
says "tell your local Finder to duplicate the following file", which
it then proceeds to do.

I'm too busy to write these things myself. Anybody got time to
tackle them?

-Shannon
[e-mail]

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Date: 21 May 93 09:16:26
From: [e-mail] (Brian R Bezanson)
Subject: Symantec C++ for Mac, questions

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Francisco)
wrote:
>
> Is Symantec's C++ ANSI 3.0 or is it like MPW C++ ? In paticular does
> it support templates, and how about throw/catch ?

It's based on the 3.0 version. It has templates but not exception handling.
Use what you get in either TCL, MacApp, or Bedrock (Try and Fail code).

> I've also noticed that coments seem to alude to the fact that this
> is mostly Zortech C++ with a new lable (and a killer interface) Are the
> bugs that were in Zortech still there?

The whole idea of THINK C 6 was to create a tool type environment like MPW
with the integrated aspect of THINK compilers. The old C compiler was
pulled out and made a tool. The C++ compiler is just a tool, and it was
obvious to take the Zortech C++ tool and modify it both for MPW and the
THINK environment -- i.e. change the object code format it generates. Any
problems with the old Zortech compiler should have been addressed by bug
reports and massive bug fixes made in this version.

> And finnaly, how about a comparison between Symantec and MPW (if this
> woulden't be a breach of nettiquette!) How do they compare in
> compile times, code size, executable speed - is there any one who
> has spent the bucks that would be willing to help some of us save?

I can't give you code sizes or speed but I can give you what was said at
the Apple WWDC last week.

1) Symantec C++ (for either MPW or Macintosh) is at least 2 times faster
than the MPW C++ compiler.

2) Apple now recommends the Symantec C++ for MPW as the standard C++
compiler for MPW/MacApp.

3) MPW 3.3 is the last version of MPW with the exception of bug fixes.

4) ETO #12 (due in August) includes Symantec C++ for Macintosh and for MPW.

5) Apple is migrating toward a development tool that is based on THINK C
project metaphore with MPW like abilities and hopefully the best of
SourceBug, THINK C Debugger, THINK Pascal Debugger, and other source code
debuggers with more features.


** Also to answer a frequently asked question between the two Macintosh
products.

THINK C 6.0 and THINK C++ 6.0 are the same product except the C++ includes
the C++ compiler tool and C++ libraries. In the future Symantec could have
a C->C++ upgrade package that consists of one disk and the extra C++
manual. If you're upgrading, spend the extra $60 and get the C++ package.
As Apple says, the future is OOP and it is based on C++ in the
Macintosh/Windows world.

==============================================================
Brian R Bezanson                      "MacDude"
Management Graphics                   Phone: [phone]
1401 E 79th Street                    Fax:   [phone]
Minneapolis, MN 55425-1129            Email: [e-mail]
USA                                   AppleLink: BEZANSON

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Date: Fri, 21 May 93 00:36:52 -0400
From: "Scott E Maxwell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: System folder protection (A)

>  Does anyone out there know if there is a utility that will prevent
>  users from trashing the System folder or it's contents?  We need
>  something for a student lab.

Try FolderLocker.  It is available from:

Software Brewing Company
270 Apricot Lane
Mountain View, CA 94040-4320
[phone]

It still costs $30 (I believe) and I think there is a Demo on the
archive (of the older version).  There is also FolderBolt.  You
can get that through most mail order companies.  As fas as I can
tell they are very similar, except FolderBolt costs more.  I am
not 100% sure on how the features compare.  If you really want
some protection, you can go to programs like ASD's FileGuard.

Scott Maxwell
The University of Michigan
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 00:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Benjamin White <[e-mail]>
Subject: THINK Upgrade

Hello all!

I am a registered user of THINK Pascal, but am quickly realizing that I'm
being left behind by the C/C+-/C++ crowd.  In the past I know that
Symantec has offered a "cross-grade" to THINK C from THINK Pascal.  Any
word on the availability of such a beast for THINK C 6.0 and Symantec C++?

Thanks in advance!

Ben
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 15:15:38 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: TimesTwo opinions needed

Has anyone out there used TimesTwo, the disk compression utility by
Golden Triangle.  Did it work for you?  Are there any gotchas?  I
would like to hear from anyone who has had experience with this
product.

Thanks

Alberto L. Zuniga - Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
[e-mail] (prefered) or [e-mail]

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Date: Fri,  21 May 93 5:44 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Vendor E-mail (A)

Hello Netters

To all of you who ask about addresses of Vendors: before asking the net
look at /report/vendor-emails.hqx
It includes tables in various formats (Excel, Word, text) of address
information like: Internet, AppleLink, FAX, CIS, FTP Site (!) etc.

Recommended  [:-)]

Ilan Szekely
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 08:23:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ephraim Fithian <[e-mail]>
Subject: What are .bsc files?

    We have a faculty member who has inherited an Apple IIGS from a
lab that was converted to LC's. He wants a printer for the GS. He
requested an ImageWriter with sheet feeder for an educational price of
about $600. Since the life of the GS is expected to be only about a year
until we can afford to buy him a Mac, we would rather buy a stylewriter
for $286.
    Through the net, I found that there is a StyleWriter driver for
the GS system 6.0, so I downloaded the system disks from ftp.apple.com.
Now that I have these files, I have no idea how to get them onto 800k
floppies so that they can be used with the GS. The files all have suffixes
of .bsc which I am not familiar with.
    Does anyone have any advice as to how I should proceed? This may
be of interest to others, so I will summarize to the net.
Ephraim Fithian
Kutztown University of PA

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 07:52 IST
From: Michael Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: WorldScript keyboard interference (C)

I share Michael Everson's irritation with the effects of System 7.1 on
keyboard
behaviour. The same problems occur in Word 5. And in the Finder I find there
is a boring slowdown in the delete key's pace.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 07:34:28 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Bob Rahe)
Subject: ZiffNet & property/copyrights

In Info-Mac Digest Volume 11 : Issue 106 Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Personally, I think the ZiffNet "free but don't upload" restrictions are
> wrong for a variety of reasons.  I don't care about enforcement or any of
> that stuff.  I just think they are a bad idea.  The idea of restricting
> information is foolish and detrimental to society.  I know that there are
> a number of very useful utilities that ZiffNet had done that will not
> benefit people because they don't have access.  For example, they have a
> nice database of every Macintosh ever made with specs and capabilities.
> They also have several Hypercard stacks that are expert systems designed
> to aid you in purchasing decisions when buying Macs, drives and printers.
> It doesn't make sense to only allow certain people to have this information
> and I wish there were a way to make this known to the ZiffNet people.  The

  Sorry, John, but I think you missed the point.  That >information< is
available to anyone who wants it.  The FORM and METHODS are not.  What you
are asking for it NOT the information contained in the database nor the
hypercard stacks, what you are asking for is all the work that went into
putting it together.  You can go out, just as those authors did, and
collect all that information yourself and put it into any form you want.
Those
authors did and they wish to be paid for doing it.

  To follow your logic, most of the service related/information related
industry would be working for free!  The Dow Jones service, UPI, AP,
Lexus, Nexus, etc. etc. etc. should all be free?  Aren't they "restricting
information"?  Why does it make sense that they can "only allow certain
people to have this information"?

  Please be careful, most of what most of us do is information handling in
some way and to attempt to put that in the realm of a "right" of society
to own the fruits of our labor would effectively destroy that industry.
Who wants to work for free?  Do YOU work for free?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 21 May 93 00:28:56 -0400
From: "Scott E Maxwell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ZiffNet/MAC

>> The software is only licensed to
>> users of ZiffNet's forum; people who obtain it elsewhere are doing
>> so in violation of the license, and this is just as illegal as
>> getting Microsoft Word somewhere other than a commercial source.
>
>In the hypothetical case of someone posting the software and my down-
>loading it I would have done nothing illegal. Ziffnet's gripe would
>be with their licensee who did the downloading.

Guess that means that hypothetically if I upload MS-Word to Sumex
and you download it, Microsofts gripe with me? ;-)  Basically, what
you are saying (at least what it sounds like to me) is that if I
haven't agreed to the license, I ain't gonna get in in trouble?
It all comes down to legal speak, which I don't speak.  So I'll
scrap law (for the time being) and speak about ethics.  You
want to violate the "spirit" of a license; that is your business.
Me, on the other hand, I try to respect people's wishes and
rights.  My OPINION is that ZiffNet paid for it; they should
reap the benefits from it.

One other thing, I guess that if I swip the stereo out of someone's
car and you knowly buy it from me, you won't get arrested for
receiving stolen property, eh?  I realize that they are different
issues in the legal world, but then isn't everything in the legal
world.  But, the principals are basically the same.

What is all comes down to is what the courts say (at least legally).
It would be nice to see everybody excercising ethical behaviour
(****AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IS NOT****) in
the US and the World, but the big problem with ethics is it tends
to be a personally defined thing.  If someone does upload something
to the archive that is questionable, then first it is the moderators
(of Sumex) choice on whether or not to include it.  But if it is
archived, then it will be our individual choice whether or not
we want to download it.  You will have to deal with your own
conscience (or not).  The archive is probably the only thing
that is at risk legally.  I personally would hate for anything
to happen to any of our wonderful archives here on the net.

Scott Maxwell
The University of Michigan
[e-mail]

All standard disclaimers apply.

------------------------------

Date: 21 May 1993 16:47:27 -0500
From: "Marc Leroux" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ZiffNet/Mac

I'm a little surprised by some of the messages in Info-Mac concerning
ZiffNet/Mac. First, I believe that this started some time back with people
looking for a name for this type of 'SubscriptionWare'. It has evolved into a
rather lengthy discussion concerning copyrights.

My feeling is that a lot of people are confusing business with personal
freedoms. There is no law against making money. Lets look at this situation.
ZiffNet hires people to produce quality applications. The 'Which Mac'
hypercard
stack is an excellent example  of an application which has the look and feel
of
professionally written software. This is a stack which presents looks at a
number of factors and selects the Mac system best suited for a user based on
this selection. All of the information within the stack is public domain. It
is
available on Internet, from digests such as Info-Mac or Tidbits. There is no
'restricting of information' as Jon Pugh writes. The only thing that they have
done is taken this information and presented it professionally.

I can't see how the 'Which Mac' stack would have been written if 'somebody'
didn't pay for it. If it had been written as shareware, very few (if any)
people would have sent in their shareware fee, using the argument that they
weren't using it on a regular basis. Face it, it's a one time type
application.
If I want access to this information, I have to subscribe to it. Big deal.
Subscription services are a fact of life. I subscribe to MacWorld. I don't
have
to; nobody has pointed a gun at my head and said that I need to. I even pay
for
it! It costs me money! The result is that I get to use the information that is
presented inside of MacWorld.

I don't see the difference between subscribing to MacWorld and subscribing to
ZiffNet. I also made a conscious decision to subscribe to ZiffNet. It (like
MacWorld) costs me money every month. I am entitled to the benefits of this
subscription. This is not 'Elitism' it's the real world. If I subscribe to
something, I can find out what's in it. If I don't, I won't (unless I have a
friend who does subscribe, which, btw, is exactly how ZiffNet works).

ZiffNet sponsors the forum and the production of a certain number of
applications and they are entitled to a) make money and b) boost the economy
(however slightly) by contracting programmers to write these applications. If
anybody doesn't agree with this, then don't subscribe to ZiffNet and don't
complain that you don't have access to the programs.

With regard to any violations of the ZiffNet policy, any one who knowingly
violates them IS a JERK! The same as any one who doesn't pay shareware fees
can
be called a JERK (or possibly a criminal).

Face it, if someone publishes something that I expressly say I do not
published
then I would feel violated. This is common sense, folks. It's actually quite
sad that we have to have laws to enforce what should be common sense. The
difference here is that it is a corporation, rather than an individual, who
has
said that they do not want the products that they have paid to have developed
distributed electronically. They have not restricted access to any
information,
they are only charging for it (welcome to the real world). This is their
right!
If somebody does't pay for it, the quality of the productions will degrade
very
quickly.

Let it go folks. If you disagree with their policies then boycott Ziff
products
and write a letter to them explaining why you are doing so. That is YOUR
right.
If we want to decide on a name for the type of software that is being
distributed through subscription services, then my vote is for
'SubscriptionWare'.

Marc Leroux
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 20 May 93 15:34:14 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> >If you violate that
> >person's wishes, then you're at best a jerk and at worst in
> >violation of law.
>
> I feel that you should at least withdraw the word "jerk" and preferably
> apologise a second time.

That sentence was written in the generic and obviously was not
aimed at any individual (or I would have used a name or
referred to an individual who had violated some such
agreement). I will not apologize, and I stand by my statement,
although I will rephrase it to make it less ambiguous. It is not
a flame aimed at any specific individual, whether or not you
choose to interpret in that fashion.

If any person knowingly violates another person's explicitly
stated wishes, then that first person is at best a jerk and at
worst in violation of law, depending on individual
circumstances.

-Adam

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